“I think it’s great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage and, you know what, in my country and my family I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman.

“No offense to anyone out there, but that’s how I was raised and that’s how I think it should be between a man and a woman.”

-Miss California, Carrie Prejean

Go fuck yourself.

No offense.

From: [identity profile] kukla-red.livejournal.com

Is lack of compassion for others a requirement for being a beauty queen?

From: [identity profile] jccohen.livejournal.com

Heh, I like the idea of calling heterosexual marriages "opposite marriage"

From: [identity profile] keeyoo.livejournal.com

Where is this land of hers where people can choose who to marry?

From: [identity profile] mazzie.livejournal.com

It's really kind of awesome how much fail she spewed in such a short time.

From: [identity profile] keeyoo.livejournal.com

Wouldn't it be wonderful if beauty contestants had to pass a basic intelligence test before getting up on stage and revealing teh dumb to the world?

From: [identity profile] chiba.livejournal.com

Then it wouldn't be a beauty contest, it'd be a smarts contest and everybody knows the smart girls all have jobs and don't have time to be beauty queens.

Not that smart girls aren't pretty, it's just that they haven't gotten by on their pretty for their whole lives like your average stereotypical beauty queen.

From: [identity profile] keeyoo.livejournal.com

Well, I'm not asking for genius-level or even highly intelligent. Some basic understanding of the real world would be nice...

From: [identity profile] chiba.livejournal.com

Given the "quality" of that girl's answer... I'd say you're asking for a lot :)

From: [identity profile] sskipstress.livejournal.com

I'm not sure beauty queens are exposed to the real world.

From: [identity profile] starcat-jewel.livejournal.com

Does she even realize that she contradicted herself in the space of two sentences?

From: [identity profile] etinterrapax.livejournal.com

Makes me grateful that the stupid things I said as a teenager--none of which were this idiotic--were not caught on camera. Hell, we still obliquely refer to the Miss..what was it? Miss Teen USA? babbling about geography. Such as. For the children.

From: [identity profile] persephoneplace.livejournal.com

here i thought she meant i could marry one man and one woman!

From: [identity profile] mazzie.livejournal.com

Yes, and she's entitled to tell Matt Lauer that she was speaking for her god when she said that. Which she did.

And I am entitled to tell her to go fuck herself.

And we're all gratefully entitled to, here in the 21st century, watch adolescent girls with their teeth whitened, breasts and buttocks taped to fit in their bikinis, strut around in heels on a stage to be judged on their physical merits for hours before they top it off with half-witted garbage with false moral authority.

From: [identity profile] alibee.livejournal.com

I am entitled to tell her to DIAF. Which I will!


From: [identity profile] chiba.livejournal.com

I always love how either right before or right after somebody says "no offense..." they say something really shitty.

Restores my faith in humanity. Of course, that faith is that humankind is, in general, shitty.

From: [identity profile] turbogrrl.livejournal.com

I think it’s great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose to be educated or opposite education and, you know what, in my country and my family I think that I believe that an education is superior to.

No offense to anyone out there, but that’s how I was raised and that’s how I think it should be between a human and a book.

From: [identity profile] cantkeepsilent.livejournal.com

Wow. I mean, if she has an opinion that is different than mine, that's her right, as is your right to tell her to fuck herself and my right to believe that she should get the hell over herself if she thinks that her upbringing entitles her to deprive a segment of the American population of equal protection under the law.

But how the hell is the first backup for the United States' representative in the Miss Universe pageant unable to string two sentences together on a topical issue without contradicting herself? "Opposite marriage"? I mean, really?? Why even have a rhetoric event if expressing yourself this incoherently can land you in second place? (And, for the record, Laura Caitlin Upton finished in fourth in Miss Teen USA for teaching us about The Iraq and such as.)

Just to be clear, Carrie Prejean is Miss California USA. My slightly informed opinion is that the Miss America circuit is far more dedicated to selecting well-rounded candidates than Miss USA.

From: [identity profile] farranger.livejournal.com

Your imperative statement gives me an idea: after the swimwear competition, the pageant should hold an "auto-copulation" competition.

"And now, ladies and gentleman, our contestants will all fuck themselves. We hope you have hi-def TV!"

From: [identity profile] psyllisa.livejournal.com

Where is the country she spoke of? Did California secede and I missed it? crap, I need to play less wow.

From: [identity profile] azbound.livejournal.com

Being a beauty queen and stabbing the gay community in the back is as good as shitting where you eat.

From: [identity profile] boliviafang.livejournal.com

You know, she's not making public policy. She's just expressing an opinion and I thought were were all entitled to those?

She starts with "I think it's great that Americans are able to choose" but no one seems to notice that part.

I'm not advocating narrowmindedness, but I do think it's ridiculous and a little chilling that she's not even allowed to say "how she was raised" and "what she thinks".


From: [identity profile] chiba.livejournal.com

Oh, she's allowed to say it all right. We're also allowed to call her close-minded if we like.

That's the whole thing about the First Amendment. Free speech covers what she says and what I say about what she says.

Here's what bugs me about it:
[openly gain pageant judge and celebrity blogger Perez] Hilton, who also appeared on the "Today" show Tuesday, said his question was relevant and that Prejean should have "left her politics and her religion out because Miss USA represents all Americans." (from an article in today's AP feed)

If Miss USA represents all Americans and should be leaving politics and religion out of her answers, then wtf is he asking such a politically and religiously charged question? If he doesn't want a shit-stirring answer, he shouldn't ask a shit-stirring question.

Hello pot? Yeah, it's kettle. Nice talkin' to ya.

From: [identity profile] boliviafang.livejournal.com

I agree whole heartedly.

And let's not forget, if Miss USA represents all (or at least the majority of) Americans, she should be $8000 in credit card debt and overweight. And don't even get me started about how bathing suits and evening gown competitions come before questions of any kind.

From: [identity profile] mazzie.livejournal.com

This was ranty and not terribly well thought out or articulated.

She is, of course, entitled to her opinion. And allowed to speak it. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise (although Perez came close, by ranting about what she "should" have answered).

I noticed "I think it's great that Americans are able to choose." The problem is that, by in large, they are not.


From: [identity profile] boliviafang.livejournal.com

I know, I got all ranty, too. Then I realized I was talking about events at a beauty pageant and I made myself rather sick.

To say nothing of forgetting the hyphen in "whole heartedly" in my response to [livejournal.com profile] chiba.

From: [identity profile] mazzie.livejournal.com

well, 'liv, I was right there with you up until the grammatical faux pas. This might be the end of us all together.

oh, who am I kidding? get over here! *noogie*

here, I would like to say something serious about how I appreciate and respect the ways in which we most likely differ, and am more glad than I can ever tell you that you stand up and have your say.

but that would get all mushy and serious. and stuff.


From: [identity profile] boliviafang.livejournal.com


You don't know (but of course you do) how I fretted about my comment.

But it is as you said.

Sometimes I'm surprised to think we differ, and then it seems only natural that we do; and other times I think we might not differ as much as we think we do.

But inevitably, the truth is all mushy and serious. and stuff.